Explicit Episode 7: AI Takeover and Honey Endurance
Ep. 07

Episode 7: AI Takeover and Honey Endurance

Episode description

Luke takes calls from Jerome worried about AI-generated police reports, Crystal pondering the permanence of honey, Val considering leaving her bakery job, Denise struggling with her adult son, and others. Listeners grapple with change, risk, and what truly lasts.

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LUKE: All right, here we are welcome back to Luke at the Roost the late

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night call in radio show where we give callers a real advice about their real

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problems Let's see if you'd like to call in we're accepting calls the numbers 208

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439 5853. That's 208 439 Luke already we've got the phones lighting up and we've

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got Jerome Jerome I hear your troubled about police reports that are being written by

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AI. What's up with that?

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JEROME: Well, here's the thing. I've been doing this job 12 years and yeah Most

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of it is paperwork that nobody reads anyway, but my son sends me this link

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with Law, maybe you'll finally have time to read a real book and I'm thinking

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okay Funny except it's not really a joke, right? Because if this stuff is open

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source if anyone can just download it and run it How long before the department

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decides they don't need me typing up reports at all?

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LUKE: Do they need you typing up reports at all now? I mean, what are

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your reports? What's the purpose of your reports other than to broadcast them to the

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newspaper and make people feel embarrassed about what they did last week?

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JEROME: Oh, man, that's brutal, but you're not wrong Half the reports I write in

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Hidalgo County end up being so-and-so's cattle got out again or found another shot-up road

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sign on highway 338 the newspaper prints the police plotter and Yeah, people get embarrassed,

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but the other half that's evidence that's documentation for court for insurance for when something

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actually bad happens out here

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LUKE: And are you finding or are you concerned that the AI reporters are gonna

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skip important bits of evidence or or Report incorrectly in a way that might affect

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somebody's trial

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JEROME: That's exactly it like I was reading about how they're using AI to help

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analyze the Nancy Guthrie case Finding patterns in old clues that kind of thing and

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that's great, right? It sounds like it could be helpful. It'll make mistakes, but real

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people make a lot of mistakes I mean we have a long history of messing

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up Court trials and evidence collection all throughout, you know the world forever

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LUKE: Yeah, you're right. I've seen cops screw up reports worse than any computer could

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But here's what gets me when I mess up. It's my name on it. I

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own it And what happens when the computer messes up? Who owns it then?

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JEROME: Exactly who do you hold accountable the department that bought the software?

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LUKE: I suppose people would hold The county responsible and the state and the system

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itself I'm not really sure what capacity are they gonna use these reports in

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JEROME: Right now they're talking about it for the basic stuff first traffic stops minor

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incidents Those cattle out on the road calls Feed it the dash cam footage the

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notes I take and it spits out a formatted report Saves me an hour of

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typing per shift they say, but once that works why wouldn't they push it further?

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LUKE: Well for the reasons that you described because it could put somebody's life on

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the line somebody's freedom The calls you're talking about are nobody's going to court for

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that right? They're just day-to-day run-of-the-mill stuff It would I would think that you would

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want to have the burden of that paperwork removed from you So you could focus

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on doing other more important work

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JEROME: You'd think so. Yeah, and honestly most nights I'm sitting in this parking lot

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doing paperwork when I could be driving through the valley checking on folks We'll spread

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so thin out here one deputy covering hundreds of square miles sometimes If the AI

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handles the busy work, maybe I actually get to do the job

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LUKE: Yeah, it sounds like there's pros and cons and there's a Voice to each

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side that makes a lot of sense And we're just gonna have to see where

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that takes us

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JEROME: Yeah, I guess that's where I'm at with it. Just my kid sent me

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that link like it's a done deal, you know

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LUKE: Well, where was the link from is it a done deal? There was just

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some link on the internet because there's plenty of those Fear-mongering type links. Oh my

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god. Look what's gonna happen and now we're all unsafe because the Computers are taken

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over the world

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JEROME: Nah, it wasn't some conspiracy crap. It was from a real AI company one

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of those big ones out of california They're actually working with the state now helping

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analyze cold cases

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LUKE: Well, hopefully we have some oversight oversight there and and There's some controls to

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make sure that people's lives don't get ruined by it But I'm not sure what

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we're gonna do. It's obviously something that's not gonna go away We're only gonna rely

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on a AI more and more as as the years go go on

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JEROME: Yeah, that's the thing. It's not going away

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LUKE: It's not going away, but thanks for the call Hope you have a good

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rest of your night and that your job isn't replaced by a computer like the

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rest of us Okay, Crystal Crystal welcome to the show. What do you think about

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AI taken over reporting for the police?

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CRYSTAL: Oh, man, I wasn't even thinking about that until Jerome called I'm actually calling

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because I've been sitting here staring at this jar of honey in my kitchen and

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I cannot stop thinking about death which sounds insane I know but hear me out.

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I delivered twins this afternoon in a trailer with no heat Everything went fine, but

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on the drive home I just got stuck on this thing about what lasts like

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honey honey lasts forever

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LUKE: Well, it's pretty heavy you delivered twins in a in a Off-grid trailer today.

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How did that go?

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CRYSTAL: It went good actually Mama was a champ both babies healthy about six pounds

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each But yeah, no running water. They had a wood stove going and I'm doing

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this whole thing by headlamp and flashlight It's not unusual out here. You know people

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live how they live But I think that's what got me spinning tonight. I came

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home and I was making tea Reached for the honey and I just thought about

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how the Egyptians buried people with it Because it never goes bad and then I

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started going through my whole kitchen like What else in here is going to outlive

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me?

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LUKE: Some years back I had a power outage that lasted for about a week

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and it sent me into this Prepper spiral where I started stockpile and food and

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ammo and trying to be prepared for Issues like that or the end of the

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world and honey was one of the big products That I stocked up on for

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that reason because sugar goes bad, but honey can be used as sugar It's one

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of the great superfoods and it's it's good for you. I've heard it's good in

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tea. It's good on toast We love honey

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CRYSTAL: Yeah, exactly and that's the thing I've been doing the same kind of prep

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thinking Especially after that date of reach at the clinic last month I've been rotating

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all my passwords Locking everything down, you know protecting myself from hackers or whatever But

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tonight it hit me that I'm thinking about all this wrong Like honey doesn't last

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because it's protected or locked away It lasts because of what it Because of what

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it because of what it is you mean

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LUKE: Right exactly. Sorry. I lost my train of thought there because of what it

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Because of what it what?

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CRYSTAL: Yes, God Sorry, my brain's been going in circles all night. What I mean

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is Honey lasts because of what it is not because someone's guarding it or hiding

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it away

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LUKE: What are some other things that last because of what they are

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CRYSTAL: Well, that's what sent me down this whole rabbit hole.

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LUKE: I started going through my cabinets like a crazy person Salt obviously Vinegar I've

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got this bottle of vanilla extract from like 2015 That's an interesting thing about the

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Mormon religion that I found They all have a guidebook that helps them to store

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a year's worth of food for the for the rapture so when they come and

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The apocalypse happens the Mormons will be safe because they've stored enough food to last

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for a year And they they have a whole detailed plan on how to get

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there and they have canneries that the public can use To to can and store

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food prep and I think that's a that's a great thing that most everybody should

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take advantage of

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CRYSTAL: You know, I've delivered babies for a couple Mormon families out here and you

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can tell They've got their storage room setup everything organized And honestly after what I

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saw today in that trailer Maybe they're on to something, but here's what's messing with

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me Luke I've been prepping the wrong way

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LUKE: It's definitely a lifestyle there is a skill to it you have to have

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a good organization and food rotation Fundamentals under control You know, you have to make

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sure you're using the oldest stuff first and that you're not just stockpiling and stockpiling

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But you're actually using what you have and rotating new stuff in there Um, I

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think it's a good practice to be in though and I'm glad that you've uh

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you've Turned around and started thinking about it seriously

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CRYSTAL: Well, that's just it though. I haven't been thinking about it at all I've

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been thinking about cyber security, you know Change in passwords to factor authentication Making sure

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nobody can hack into my patient records Like building a vault around data, but the

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honey thing made me realize I'm protecting the wrong stuff

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LUKE: Well, it's okay to protect multiple sets of things right if you're entrusted with

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public data That's sensitive you have to protect that as best you can you don't

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want to be the one that leaks out a bunch of Protected health information or

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or credit card numbers or social security numbers or anything like that So at work,

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it's good that you're thinking about uh being digitally secure and at home it makes

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sense to be uh food secure

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CRYSTAL: Yeah, but see that's what I can't shake All that digital security. It's like

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building walls around sand one breach and it's gone But these twins I delivered today

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They came out in this trailer that barely had heat and their mum has got

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nothing stored up not food not money nothing

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LUKE: Well, that's a horrible thing, but there's nothing you can do about that. Uh,

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you're not their keeper Uh, I wish them the best and I wish you the

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best and thank you for calling in tonight

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CRYSTAL: Wait Luke, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying maybe I've been thinking about

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my own mortality all wrong Like what actually outlasts me

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LUKE: Okay, let's get into it. Why do you care what I'll last you if

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you're gone Then you're not gonna have another care left in the world. So what

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does it matter to you

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CRYSTAL: Because I spent 15 years learning how to catch babies And I've been treating

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that knowledge like it's mind to protect instead of mind to pass on Those twins

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today their mum is 19 Luke 19

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LUKE: Yeah 19 people have been having babies since they were 19 for as long

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as human history Uh, that's an odd thing, but what are you gonna do? It

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has really nothing to do with you So I'm glad that you can catch babies

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Sorry for the kids that they are growing up with no heat And hopefully things

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turn around for both of you

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CRYSTAL: You're right. It has nothing to do with me Except I'm the one who

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showed up And I keep showing up to these trailers These situations and I go

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home and rotate my passwords like that's what matters I'm asking what endures Luke Is

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it the walls I build or what I actually give away

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LUKE: Well, you know what crystal nothing really endures it at the end of the

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day All this is gonna be gone because the era of time waits for no

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one and entropy dictates that Order is going to quickly erode into disorder. That's how

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the universe works So whatever it is you're trying to hold on to you can't

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hold on to Just do the best you can while you're alive and then once

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you're dead That's nobody's problem anymore Val Val welcome to the show. What do you

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think about this situation?

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VAL: Hey Luke Yeah, so I'm sitting in my truck outside the bakery right now

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Because I just found out the guy I've been training for six months makes $40,000

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more than me for the exact same job

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LUKE: How long you've been doing it is he uh does he own the company

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is he sleep with the boss what's the deal

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VAL: No none of that he's been here six months. I've been there four years

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same title same responsibilities

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LUKE: How did you find out about this did he just come out and tell

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you what his salary was

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VAL: I opened what I thought was a flower invoice on the shared drive And

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it was his offer letter just sitting there And now I'm supposed to show up

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at four in the morning and teach him the lamination technique I invented the one

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the journal wrote about and pretend I don't know

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LUKE: What you don't have to pretend you don't know you can take that to

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your boss or to HR and let them know hey I want uh uh pay

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reassessment because of you know inflation

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VAL: Yeah, but then they'll know I saw his letter and I wasn't supposed to

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see it It was just there in the drive and honestly Luke what am I

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going to say hey I deserve what Ryan makes because I'm better They already know

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I'm better. I'm the one training him

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LUKE: Well, he was obviously a better negotiator So maybe you need to go back

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to them and say hey, I need a compensation readjustment to to keep up with

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Current trends and compensation packages Because if you're making 40 grand less than somebody else

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has a baker something seriously wrong

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VAL: I mean I say that but it's not like I got leverage I'm not

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leaving this is the only bakery in town that does French pastry and if I

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push too hard They might just replace me with some other Ryan But here's the

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thing It's not even about the money not really

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LUKE: If it's not about the money then what's it about because it sounds like

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it's entirely about the money

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VAL: No, it's about the fact that I created something that lamination technique I worked

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on that for months

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LUKE: You worked on it for months under the employment of another company Which means

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they own that did you patent it did they patent it You know, it's not

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your technique. How did you invent it? What is the lamination technique? How does it

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work and what makes it different from anything anybody else has ever done

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VAL: Okay, so traditional croissant lamination you're doing a threefold maybe four times right I

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figured out how to do a hybrid fold that incorporates a book fold with local

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honey and specific layers So it caramelizes differently at altitude

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LUKE: Well, that does sound very interesting and maybe if you maybe you are onto

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something and you should take your invention to To somewhere else you said they wrote

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about it in the paper This is something that's got some attention Maybe you could

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write a book or teach a class or find another way to make way more

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money than you could ever make for this local bakery

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VAL: I mean Jackie's been saying something like that for months. She keeps telling me

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I should do pop-ups or teach classes at the community college But that's not a

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real job Luke. That's side hustle stuff

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LUKE: Doesn't have to be side hustle stuff.

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LUKE: That can be a very real job And it sounds like your real job

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is 40 grand less than what Ryan's making off the street so you could you

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could do better

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CALLER: Yeah, but I've got the truck payment and Jackie's between gigs right now and

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health insurance through the bakery is actually decent I can't just walk away from study

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money on the idea that maybe people will pay me to teach them how to

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fold butter into dough

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LUKE: You absolutely could if you wanted to that's the only way that people can

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start businesses is by not being afraid to Take that risk if you don't want

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to take the risk and you don't want to talk to your boss And you

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don't want to demand what you think you're worth then I don't know what to

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tell you You're stuck making 40 grand less than Ryan and you're gonna have to

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teach him your secrets and deal with the consequences of that And they are probably

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gonna replace you

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CALLER: You know what you're right I'm sitting here in a parking lot at midnight

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complaining about something I could actually do something about I just I opened that file

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and it felt like getting punched you know like all that work didn't matter

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LUKE: Well, I understand that that feels bad and I hope that it works out

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for you, but you're gonna have to make a decision To either leave that place

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and find some place that's gonna you know pay you what you're worth or Ask

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for the money that you deserve or take your invention and do something with it

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ignorance is bliss, but you're not here for bliss Okay back to the show Denise

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Denise you're on the line with Luke at the roost what's going on in your

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world today

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DENISE: Hey Luke here. Thanks for taking my call So I just got off a

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double at the hospital. I'm a travel nurse Been doing contracts all over New Mexico

17:16

and Arizona and I'm sitting in my truck right now because I can't go home

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LUKE: Why can't you go home what's going on at home

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DENISE: My son moved back in today 26 years old showed up from flagstuff with

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all his stuff while I was at work

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LUKE: Well, he can't do that. You know unless you want him too Did you

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invite him to move in or he just showed up and and you can't go

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home to confront him or what's what's the problem here

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DENISE: No, I didn't invite him my husband texted me a picture of our bedroom

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door with a chair shout under the knob That's how I found out this is

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the third time in five years he's done this Just shows up when things don't

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work out wherever he is and Luke I've been working these travel contracts for three

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years To pay off the credit cards from the last two times and I just

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I drove past my own driveway twice tonight before I could make myself turn in

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LUKE: Well, you know what maybe at this point you shouldn't turn in you should

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send the police to have him removed because He's of age he can't just show

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up that's trespassing and if you don't want him there you don't have to have

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him there

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DENISE: Oh, I know that I that

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LUKE: So why so what is the problem? Why can't you go home? Are you

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just afraid to call the police or you don't want to or what what's the

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situation?

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DENISE: I don't know if I'm being a terrible mother or if my husband's being

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too hard about it Like my cousin Angie's kid had some rough years too and

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now he's doing great He's got a job at the refinery and his own place

18:53

Maybe this is just what kids do now, you know, they need more time to

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figure things out than we did

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LUKE: No, I don't think that's true. He's 26 years old. He's a grown-ass man

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and he can figure things out But if this is affecting you Negatively and you

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you're giving up your own space and it's costing you money that you can't afford

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to lose Then you have to protect yourself and hopefully He comes to and gets

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himself in a better situation, but until that happens. It's not your responsibility to support

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him

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DENISE: Yeah, but here's the thing I keep wondering if I made him like this

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Like did I do too much for him when he was younger his dad thinks

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I enabled him and maybe I did But when he calls me crying from wherever

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he is saying he just needs a little help to get back on his feet.

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What am I supposed to do?

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LUKE: Well, you have to take it on a case-by-case situation If it's a little

19:51

bit of help and you can help him out great But if you're not in

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a position to offer that help and you can't where You're at in your life

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then then you got to tell him he's going to find another way Um, and

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maybe you did make him that way or or have some some part in it

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But the point is it's now and now you can't continue doing that anymore So

20:14

you're going to have to have that conversation and if he doesn't want to accept

20:19

that then have the police have that conversation with him

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DENISE: You're right. I know you're right It's just God it's hard

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LUKE: It is hard, but there's no reason you should be asleep Sitting in your

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truck and a parking lot afraid to go home to your own house because you're

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26-year-old adult child is there. That's not right either So you're going to have to

20:41

do something about that Leon Leon. Welcome to the show. What's happening tonight, fella?

20:46

LEON: Hey, Luke. Thanks for taking the call So I just got back from pulling

20:51

this kid's Tesla out of an arroyo off route nine Nice kid maybe 25 talking

20:56

the whole ride back about his remote coding job How he can work from anywhere

21:00

LUKE: Well, that's a great thing. I have a remote job too and I can

21:04

work from anywhere I wouldn't have it any other way

21:08

LEON: Yeah, well, that's the thing. I had that shot once Got accepted to UNM

21:12

for computer science back in 96 And my daughter found the letter last week in

21:16

a box with all my old Linux manuals

21:20

LUKE: Well, you know the glory days are just about over now that the AI

21:25

can write better code than any of us could With half the time less than

21:30

half the time Uh, it's it's probably drying up for most of us computer professionals

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LEON: Maybe so, but I never even tried Luke Diane got pregnant that same year

21:39

and I stayed here pulling cars out of ditches

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LUKE: Well, there's plenty to look into when you get out of work I mean,

21:47

there's still time for you to do whatever it is you want to do There's

21:52

lots of new technologies to play with and important things that companies need So if

21:56

you'd like to move into that realm, it's definitely a possibility for you

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LEON: That's what got me tonight. I'm 63 now same age my old man was

22:05

when he died He never left the county Never did a damn thing.

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LEON: He actually chose and here I am still in the same garage apartment Listening

22:14

to your show every night like I have been for years And I just keep

22:18

thinking about it instead of doing anything about it

22:22

LUKE: Well, the longer you don't do something about it the the harder it's going

22:27

to get to make that call So sometimes you just have to be brave and

22:32

decide, you know, what you want for the rest of your life and go after

22:36

it Even if there's risk involved, I mean, there's no reward without risk So if

22:41

you've had enough of your current life and the way it's always been change it

22:46

LEON: Yeah, but it ain't just about me Diane's been gone five years now and

22:50

my daughter's got her own life over in Albuquerque I keep telling myself I'm too

22:55

old to start over But then I see kids like that one tonight same age

22:59

I was when I got that acceptance letter And I think what the hell am

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I waiting for a sign from God

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LUKE: Sounds like you've got nothing to wait for this maybe was your sign from

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God getting you thinking about it here at 63 years old Hey, man, you're the

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only one that can do something about your life So if it's time if you

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want to if you're afraid that you're going to miss the boat on the next

23:26

thing then then make a move And if you're too afraid to make a move

23:30

then stay where you're at and don't complain about it But don't wonder what could

23:35

have been The only way that what could have been is going to be is

23:39

if you make the decision to do something about it

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LEON: You're right. I've been doing this long enough. I know how to work. I

23:48

know how to learn Hell I still mess around with Python when I can't sleep

23:52

I think I've just been using Diane and the bills and everything else as an

23:56

excuse to stay comfortable Scared really

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LUKE: Yeah, I think that's common it is a scary thing, but you know what

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men Men face their fears and you're going to have to do that if you

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Carl Carl welcome back to the show. What would you like to talk about tonight?

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CARL: Hey Luke good to hear your voice man Look I got to tell you

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about something that happened at the station yesterday We had this call House fire over

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on silver street and I'm in there doing my job Everything's going fine

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LUKE: Okay, I assume it didn't go fine in the end what happened

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CARL: Yeah, so we get everyone out the family's safe. We're mopping up And I

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find this lock box in the bedroom closet The fire didn't get to it I'm

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carrying it out to give to the homeowner and look the thing pops open in

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my hands There's got to be 15 maybe $20,000 cash in there

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LUKE: Hey, it was a good thing you had a fireproof lock box. What did

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you do with the money?

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CARL: Well, that's the thing. I stood there for maybe 10 seconds just staring at

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it The family was outside with the paramedics nobody saw me find it And I'm

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thinking about my mortgage payment. That's two weeks late the credit card bills from all

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that gambling I told you about last time my hands are literally shaking holding this

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box I gave it to them.

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LUKE: Oh, that's good. I'm glad to hear you did the right thing. How do

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you feel about that?

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CARL: Honestly, I feel like shit about it, which is messed up right

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LUKE: Ah, it's a little bit messy. It wasn't your money You know, it wasn't

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it wasn't yours to take and it was good of you to give it back

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without being shady So that speaks to your character some and characters more important than

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wealth. I've heard

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CARL: I know I know you're right, but here's what's eating at me I did

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the right thing turned it over the family thanked me whatever But I can't stop

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thinking about it

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LUKE: Thinking about what thinking about what you would have done if you hadn't given

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the money back or thinking about going up To them and asking them to give

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you a finders fee. What exactly are you thinking about?

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CARL: I keep running through how I could have done it like the house was

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totaled. I could have said the box must have burned up

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LUKE: Yeah, but you did the right thing right you don't want to be that

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kind of person nobody really wants to be that guy If you had done that

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you would have to live with that for the rest of your life and you

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would have spent the money and then the money would be gone And you just

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have the guilt and then 10 years down the line the guilt would be eating

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you up so much That you'd have to find the money to give them the

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money back and it's just you did the right thing and you should sleep well

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tonight

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CARL: Yeah, the way I see it you're probably right But Luke I haven't slept

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well in three nights. I keep doing the math in my head What I could

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have paid off how much breathing room that would have given me

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LUKE: Yeah, if you would use the money to be responsible, but you know yourself

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What would you have done with that money? Would it have gone directly to the

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casino? Would you have blown it on frivolous things and then felt even worse about

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yourself in the situation

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CARL: Look, that's what really scares me. I don't actually know Part of me wants

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to say I would have paid the mortgage cleared the cards But there's this other

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part and I hate admitting this that knows I might have walked straight into the

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casino Thinking I could double it first then pay everything off That's how the brain

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works when you've got this thing, you know Even three months clean from gambling. I'm

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still thinking like an addict

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LUKE: I do know what it's like to be an addict and I'm very proud

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of you for doing the right thing and giving the money back and saving yourself

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from the The hell that it would have been had you taken that money because

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it just would have destroyed you inside for the rest of your life And uh

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and you're better off now it might be tough today But you're gonna look back

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on this and say hey I did the right thing and I'm proud of myself

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and I'm a decent person

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CARL: Thanks man. I appreciate that. I called Manny about it yesterday My buddy have

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told you about and he said basically the same thing But here's what I can't

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shake I'm 36 years old Been a firefighter for 12 years and I'm still living

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paycheck to paycheck because of the whole I dot myself

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LUKE: Yeah, well, you know, you know how it works man you walk for five

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miles into the woods You're gonna walk five miles out. So it's gonna take a

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while to get back on your feet Keep doing it one step at a time

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and Stayed the course and you're gonna be just fine

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CARL: Yeah, you're right One step at a time. I just needed to hear somebody

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say it out loud I guess the way I see it if I can walk

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past 78 grand in cash and not take it Maybe I'm actually getting somewhere with

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this thing

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LUKE: Yeah, well you said I was 15 to 20 grand. I mean 78 that's

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a whole other story and maybe I'd be giving you a different advice

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CARL: Wait No, it was 15 to 20 I'm saying if I can resist that

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then hypothetically I could resist even more you know Like I'm proving to myself.

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LUKE: I've got some kind of backbone now Though honestly Luke if it had been

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78 I don't know Hey, well, you know, I've heard god only gives you what

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you can handle and if you can handle a given back 15 to 20 grand

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today Maybe you'll be able to do 30 to 40 grand tomorrow and work your

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way up to the 78 So I think you should just keep busting into burning

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buildings and finding lock boxes full of cash and you know Increasing values and just

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do the right thing every single time until there's no amount of money that could

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break your resolve

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CARL: Ha yeah, well the burning buildings part I got covered It's funny you say

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that though because when I was standing there holding that bag It felt kind of

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like being in a fire you know that moment when you're inside and you can

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see two ways out And one of them looks easier, but you know it's the

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wrong call That's what it felt like

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LUKE: Well, we're glad to hear you did the right thing keep keep doing the

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right thing one day at a time And you're gonna be just fine stay away

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from the casino and And sleep well tonight because you aren't it And let's see

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we'll take one more call tonight Earl Earl welcome to the show was eating you

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up

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EARL: Hey, Luke. Yeah, man. Thanks for taking the call So I'm sitting here at

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like one in the morning and I can't stop thinking about what happened at cards

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tonight I've been playing with the same guys every Monday for six years Right and

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tonight I drew a straight flush Hearts six through ten and my buddy Ramon straight

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up accused me of paulming cards Like set it out loud in front of everybody

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the whole table just went dead quiet

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LUKE: Yeah, well, you know, that is a difficult hand to get, but I mean

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it happens I've got straight flushes before so it definitely does happen. Where are you

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on the cards? Do you have a history of doing anything shady? I think it's

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normal for people to to feel offended when you hit such a great lucky hand

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EARL: No, man. That's the thing. I've never done anything like that. These guys know

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me I drive 40 minutes each way to weld at the naval facility. I pay

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my bills I'd rather sit in my truck bed for four hours watching for a

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damn cactus Ren then take a dishonest dollar off anyone and Ramon knows that

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LUKE: Yeah, he's just but hurt because he didn't win. He probably had a decent

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hand and you smoked him That happens. It's a poker game with your buddies nothing

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to be concerned about

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EARL: I mean, yeah, I get that he was pissed I'd already put in 80

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bucks on that hand chasing what I thought was a busted draw But it's not

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about him being mad. It's that he actually said it out loud In front of

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Ramon's kitchen table with guys I've known for years

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LUKE: Yeah, sure and they all recognize that as a but hurt person, you know

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talking shit And he was probably the douchebag there. I doubt anybody is looking at

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you like a cheater if they know you well

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EARL: Well, that's the thing nobody said a word after Not one of them just

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sat there like I'd grown a second head and Ramon

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LUKE: What about Ramon you know what I think I think just just hold it

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out keep playing poker with your friends And when Ramon hits his you know four

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aces or whatever it is then do the same thing to him and see how

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he feels

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EARL: Ha, yeah, I mean maybe but I don't know if I can just sit

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there next Monday like nothing happened It's been eating at me for hours now

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LUKE: Did you win the hand did you take the money is the game over

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and then you're being a bit dramatic sir and cut it out right who cares

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EARL: Yeah, I won the hand took the pot game went another hour, but I

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could barely focus

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LUKE: Problem solved congratulations on your good hand and stop being such a pussy when

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people rib you a little bit That's the end of our show folks. I hope

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you enjoyed it tune in tomorrow for our next batch of colors And we're gonna

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put right the wrongs of the world have yourself the wonderful evening Bye